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    Chris Lovell, my ASI rep & Senior VP of Sales, replied with the following info:

    I want to make sure that you understand the show decision related to "equipment companies" is strictly limited to apparel decorating equipment. The apparel segment in this industry is indeed unique and I'm sure you know that the majority of apparel sales are for blank merchandise. Some of the biggest and best known suppliers in this industry do not offer decorating services even though they may be involved with a local embroiderer or screen printer.I realize your concern may be that if we open a tradeshow up to apparel decorating equipment that it's only a matter of time before we open it up to other types of equipment manufacturers but I am pretty confident in stating that I do not believe that will ever take place. I hope you don't mind if I pass at least your initial reaction and concerns along to Tim Andrews and Karen Di Tomasso.

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    There, see, just as I have always said ASI is a great and deeply caring company

    Quote Originally Posted by jimknecht View Post
    Chris Lovell, my ASI rep & Senior VP of Sales, replied with the following info:

    I want to make sure that you understand the show decision related to "equipment companies" is strictly limited to apparel decorating equipment. The apparel segment in this industry is indeed unique and I'm sure you know that the majority of apparel sales are for blank merchandise. Some of the biggest and best known suppliers in this industry do not offer decorating services even though they may be involved with a local embroiderer or screen printer.I realize your concern may be that if we open a tradeshow up to apparel decorating equipment that it's only a matter of time before we open it up to other types of equipment manufacturers but I am pretty confident in stating that I do not believe that will ever take place. I hope you don't mind if I pass at least your initial reaction and concerns along to Tim Andrews and Karen Di Tomasso.



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    Pete, the truth of the matter is, they are. Chris has been exceedingly helpful in growing my business. She has been able to do so by spending great amounts of time with me & knows my business inside & out... the perfect rep. I have dined with her many times at shows & have likewise dined with Tim Andrews. Other suppliers & distributors are at these small get togethers & they have been very enligtening. Keep in mind I am a tiny little insignificant supplier, yet the folks at ASI are easy to talk to.

    That does not mean they run a perfect company, as I have disagreed with several of their decisions... such as putting a show in the northeast to compete with Prom East. But I will say they take criticism very well & no one has been snooty.

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    I wonder how sucessful a show with only "traditional" suppliers would do.....I mean no clothing, no equipment, no screen printers, no off shore companies....Could a promoter get enough vendors and/or atendees to make it work?....

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    So let's see if I have this straight. We are only "allowed" to be one thing--a screen printer is only a screen printer, a trophy house is only a trophy house, an embroiderer is only---etc. Otherwise we are violating the triangle?

    One-stop shopping, anyone?


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    Steve, you can do all the things you mention, and more... if you become a vendor. Per the triangle you, the distributor, are supposed to do one thing... represent your industry vendors & sell their product to the enduser. A vendor such as me only does one thing... provide a product for you to sell. The triangle gets broken or skewed when suppliers bypass you & deal directly with endusers or when distributors bypass industry vendors & do their own decoration. Actually at the point a distributor offers their own decoration, they have become a vendor... selling direct.

    Question for you Steve. If you think it ok for distributors to offer decoration, do you then see no problem with suppliers dealing with endusers? If not, explain the difference.

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    We all know that the real money is in the product, not the decorating. As long as we are purchasing the product from our suppliers I still believe I am supporting the triangle.
    ....And as long as we will have suppliers who will not decorate, we will.

    I think Im safe


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    Steve & Cindy, the real answer to all of this is as follows. Do whatever you like as long as you run your business in an ethical manner. Do not rip people off. You want to sell promotional products, do it. You want to add a line of embroidery cuz you like to spend time or have people that will work at an embroidery machine, do it. You want to engrave some trophies, do it. Just be ethical and you will survive.

    What's the big deal. Make money.

    Oh and Jim if you ask me can a supplier do the same. Yeah, but they won't get my business. I really don't see the big deal. But then I didn't spend the majority of my work life in this paranoid industry.

    Now back to packing up stuff for the trip.


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    What's the big deal. Make money.

    Oh and Jim if you ask me can a supplier do the same. Yeah, but they won't get my business. I really don't see the big deal. But then I didn't spend the majority of my work life in this paranoid industry.

    Now back to packing up stuff for the trip.
    Why would you not deal with a supplier that sold direct... if they did it "ethically"... just like your distributors? What if they never went after your clients that you had submitted orders for? If not, why do you have a double standard? Could it be just a matter of perspective? What's the big deal. Make money.

    Allan, this industry is somewhat "paranoid"... but for a good reason. There are no rules. Yes, we have general guidelines as far as how both distributors & vendors are supposed to act, but this thread demonstrates those "rules of behavior" are not always followed. The threads about suppliers dealing direct do likewise. We are paranoid because there is no organization which can remove offenders from the industry.

    Man, I sure hope you are headed for the islands.

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    Actually, now that you mention it I just might deal with a supplier even if I knew he sold in another market.

    Somewhat paranoid!!!! I have never seen an industry more paranoid.

    Yes, we are heading for the island this time instead of the islands. We're heading for Ireland for a couple of weeks. Given the time difference, it will definitely be a big business challenge. May not even make money or lose money. NOT

    I bought that laptop you mentioned and have it loaded with working stuff like efax and evoice. So with wifi connections in most places I should just be a bit late in my answers. I was talking with someone that said that Ireland is pretty well wired for internet.

    I'll see if I can keep DT entertained while I'm over there. Might do some picture uploading also. What you won't see is my fat **s kissing the Blarney Stone.


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    Quote Originally Posted by aapromotions View Post
    What you won't see is my fat **s kissing the Blarney Stone.
    But will we see the BS kissing your FA?

    (oooopps--off topic)


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    We'll actually be in the Southwest of Ireland. I have been told by every Irishman I've met that the BS is a bit even for real tourists, over the top.

    My hope is that most of my time will be spent with a good Guiness or Jamison's or any one of these. http://www.novusvinum.com/features/irish_beers.html

    Now that this thread has turned into something positive. Anybody been over there and can recommend a good brew other than Guiness. I do want to also support a good lager.

    Hope to get some good Shepard's Pie also.

    Here it is noon in LA and I'm making myself hungry and thirsty.


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